The battle for the 5th starting spot on the Yankees is up for grabs this spring. While in all reality there are about five players in contention, many believe it will come down to either Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes, with the "loser" moving to the bullpen.
I asked a couple friends of Double G Sports to guest blog and give their side of the battle. Daniel Moroz is the blog host at Camden Crazies. Being an Oriole fan, Daniel knows the Yankees well as they are a division rival of his favorite team. He has taken the pro-Joba role for this blog. Jason Wuerfel from Five Tool Prospects is the pro-Hughes role. Jason has obviously followed both Joba Chamberalin and Phil Hughes as they have developed. His blog covers many of the top prospects in the game of baseball.
Both of these bloggers have great baseball minds and their blogs are a fun place to visit and read. Joba vs Hughes, Camden Crazies vs Five Tool Prospects.
Daniel Moroz, Camden Crazies - Joba Chamberlain
With the majority of the Yankees' 2010 rotation set - CC Sabathia,
Javier Vazquez, AJ Burnett, and Andy Pettitte - there remains one spot
open and two good young pitchers in the mix for it; Joba Chamberlain
and Phil Hughes. Both Yanks have seen time both as starters and as
relievers, whether that be due to team need, effectiveness, or an
effort to limit innings. To begin this upcoming season, I think that
Joba should take the 5th starter spot, with Hughes working out of the
pen (though preferably still getting a fair amount of innings) - and
here's why:
(1) Joba was used almost exclusively as a starter last season -
totaling 31 starts and pitching 157.1 innings - and so he would be in a
much better position to handle the workload of being a full-time
starter, compared to Hughes (7 starts out of 51 games, and 86 IP).
(2) Joba's role has been jerked around more, and so leaving him in
the rotation would provide him some extra stability and allow him to
focus more on his pitching.
(3) Small sample sizes, but Hughes has excelled out of the pen
more - relatively speaking - than Joba has. Phil has a 5.22 career ERA
as a starter, with a 1.9 strike-out to walk ratio and about a 4.43 FIP,
compared to a 1.40 ERA as a reliever, with 5.0 strike-out to walk ratio
and about a 1.93 FIP. Joba, meanwhile, has a slightly better record as
a starter (4.18 ERA, 2.0 K/BB, 4.17 FIP), and a slightly worse one as a
reliever (1.50 ERA, 4.0 K/BB, 2.00 FIP). Therefore if we were to assume
that these rates would persist, then it would make sense to use the
resources most efficiently (Joba as a starter, Hughes as a reliever).
All that said, I think that there is very little chance that the
Yankees can get through 2010 with only five starters, and so Hughes
should be making an appearance in the rotation at some point.
Long-term, the best thing for New York is to have
both guys
starting, since they should both be above average there - and an above
average starter is more valuable than even a shutdown reliever.
Jason Wuerfel, Five Tool Prospects - Phil Hughes
Hughes the Man - Joba Should go to the Pen in 2010
The New York Yankees have more money than they know what to do with
- if you walked into their locker room, closed your eyes, spun around
and pointed your finger, you'd have a 40% chance of landing on a $9+
million dollar salary.
However, in 2010, the Steinbrenner family via GM Brian Cashman
pulled some money back from the large pile usually set aside for free
agents, opting to fill their holes with "bargin" players in trades for 4th starter
Javier Vasquez and center fielder Curtis Granderson, and downgrading at
DH from Hideki Matsui ($13mm) to Nick Johnson ($5.5mm) and in left
field from Johnny Damon ($13mm) to Randy Winn ($2mm).
In order to fills the holes left by the Yankees recent (relative)
stinginess, they face the decision of continuing to run with either Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain
as their 5th starter, both of whom have been effective relievers with
spotty records as big league starters. Hughes, who was hampered by
injuries in his first two Major League seasons, finally looks ready to
be a productive starter for the Yanks and return Joba to where he
belongs - the bullpen.
The
New York Yankees drafted starting pitcher Joba Chamberlain in
the 1st round out of the University of Nebraska in 2006, where he had a
rather average junior year as a starting pitcher relative to his high
draft status - 6-5, 3.98 ERA, 89 innings in 14 starts, with 102 K and
34 BB. He signed late that summer and didn't appear in a game in the
Yankees farm system until the beginning of 2007. He was in the express
lane in the minors from the first time he toed the rubber, finding
himself in triple-A by the end of July.
Then,
with the big club having a need for a set-up guy to Mariano Rivera, the
Yanks wanted to get a look at Joba out of the pen. Chamberlain threw
one
inning on July 30th, striking out all three batters he faced, hopped
back to double-A for one more inning on August 1st, striking
out two of three, then back to triple-A for a two-inning stretch on
August 4th, striking out five of six. His minor league bullpen totals
- three appearances, four innings, one hit, 12 batters faced, 10
strikeouts. His fastball was touching 100 mph and his slider was off
the charts. He got his big league call-up and continued his dominance
out of the pen, going 2-0 with a 0.38 ERA in 19 appearances and 24
innings, allowing just 12 hits and six walks while striking out 34.
Hughes,
on the other hand, was a 1st round draft pick in 2004 out of Foothill
High School in Santa Ana, California , and had been groomed
professionally for 3+ seasons before getting the call in 2007. Hughes
has career minor league totals of 330 innings in 65 appearances, 62
starts, racking up a 31-8 record, 2.37 ERA, and 367 strikeouts against
80 walks. In 2007, at just 21 years old, Hughes had a respectable 5-3
record in 13 big leagues starts, throwing 72.2 innings with a 4.46 ERA.
He struck out 58 versus 29 walks and allowed just 64 hits.
In 2008, with Hughes injured, Ian Kennedy getting torched, and
Chien-Ming Wang going down for the season, the Yankees were having
difficulty getting the ball to Joba and Mariano at the end of games.
That was when the decision was handed down the Joba would gradually be
stretched out from starter to reliever, often throwing additional
game-speed bullpen sessions after getting removed form the
game. If Yankees had a time machine, there is no doubt he'd go back to
2008 and stop themselves from making the mid-season decision to stretch
out Joba Chamberlain from a reliever to a starter. The result of his
decision is clear - they took one of the most dominant set-up men in
the game, who appeared just few years of grooming away for seamlessly
taking over for Mariano Rivera, to a slightly above average 4th or 5th
starter without the minor league innings to be able to handle the
full-season workload at the Major League level. Consequently,
Chamberlain spent time on the disabled list in 2008 and came back back
with reduced zip on his fastball and explosiveness on his slider, both
of which continued to flatted out in 2009. The evidence is in Joba's
K/9, which has sunk from 12.8 in his relief-exclusive late-season
call-up in 2007, to 10.6 in 2008 where he had 12 starts amongst 42
appearances, and all the way down to a suburban 7.6 in 2009. With his
stuff waning, Joba has picked at the corners more as a starter, too,
watching his BB/9 rise from 2.3, 3.5, to 4.3 over the same time period.
Like
Chamberlain, Hughes benefited from a move to the bullpen in 2009 after
getting fully healthy from previous injuries and developing his slider
into a more effective cutter to go with his curveball. Hughes' cutter
is his biggest advantage over Chamberlain for the 5th spot in the 2010
Yankees rotation, because he gives him a pitch to get lefties out,
which is vitally important at the new Yankee Stadium (.253 against
lefties in 2009 vs. .336 against lefties in 2008). Word out of Yankees
camp is that Hughes is continuing to develop his change-up, but he has
barely used it his entire career, only throwing 6.3% and 5.3% as a
starter in 2007 and 2008 and reduced that number to 0.6% as a reliever.
Chamberlain,
on
the other hand, continues to be primarily a two-pitch pitcher
despite his move to the starting rotation. In 2009, when he worked
exclusively as a starter, he only threw his change-up 4.7% of the time
and his curveball 9.2% of the time, leaving the bulk of his work up to
the fastball/slider combo that made him so effective out of the pen in
2007. Comparatively, teammate CC Sabathia, who has arguably a better
fastball than Chamberlain as a starter, throws his change-up 18.2% of
the time. The change-up and/or cutter, as Hughes has adapted, is vital
in the arsenal of a starting pitcher because it helps get
opposite-handed hitters out. Starting pitchers who throw two pitches
85-90% of the time just don't last very long in the big leagues.
My guess is that Cashman and manager Joe Girardi are gun shy to flip-flop the
roles of Hughes and Chamberlain again and risk messing with what came
of their success in 2009. However, Chamberlain clearly lacks the
durability and conditioning to continue as a starting pitcher. He is a
power pitcher with a power slider and the type of presence and mental
mindset necessary for a set-up man and/or closer. Let's not forget
that Mariano will eventually need to be replaced and Phil Hughes doesn't have the same kind of fire that we saw out of Joba in 2007.
The
answer
is clear - Hughes has a more fitting arsenal of pitches for the
starting rotation and Joba has a better physical and mental make-up as
the current set-up man and future closer of the Yankees. There
shouldn't even be an argument that despite Hughes' young age at the
time of his MLB debut and his recent injuries, he has more experience
and better success as a professional starting pitcher than Chamberlain,
who was rushed through the minors in just 18 appearances, 15 of which
were starts. The only
reason, and I mean only reason, that Hughes won't end up in the
rotation in 2010
is because the Yankees don't want to draw the media scrutiny of
reversing their previous decisions.
Overview
I would like to thank both Jason and Daniel for their contributions to this blog. I encourage everyone to visit them and see just know knowledgeable they are of the sport. So, the question is, who do you think should be the Yankees 5th starter?